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hey everyone thanks so much for joining

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us tonight got a really interesting show

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planned for you so hope you'll hang in

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there with me for just a couple minutes

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or less while I make a couple of quick

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I'm like Renee re any dot Barnett in the

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spell our names exactly the same way but

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and you can communicate with me and i'd

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page or on my own personal page send me

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ideas about what you'd like to see what

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subjects are here rather this is not

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television Renee this is ready to go so

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what you'd like to hear about whatever

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subject matter or if you have a

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recommendation for a guest it happens

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all the time and so many times I'm so

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grateful for some of the wonderful

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guests that have been suggested or that

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I've been connected with through

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listeners so I consider this a joint

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venture so I hope that you'll hit me up

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on Facebook one way or the other on the

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night vision radio page or on my

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personal page or both and you can keep

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track of what's going on with night

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vision and what other things I might be

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doing there and we can talk they'd be

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great also I wanted to let you know for

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all you holy grail seekers and history

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especially hidden history buffs you know

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people who are interested in the Knights

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Templar and in the bloodline mysteries I

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apparently am going to be taking a trip

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in may

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back to the longer dock area of

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southwest France and I'm going to be

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taking a small a relatively small group

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so anybody that's interested in coming

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along with me this year I'm going to

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have some great great speakers and

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guests so please let me know on facebook

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or send me an email or get if you can't

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find me I know that inception radio can

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find me so just let me know and i'll be

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happy to speak with you or to send you

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information on the trip it's going to be

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really exciting and of course will be

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with Henry Lincoln the grand master of

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the entire Da Vinci Code mystery and so

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much more there and he's made some new

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discoveries in the region recently that

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he will talk to us about along with of

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course Holy Blood Holy Grail of which he

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was one of the authors and in the last

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surviving author and which was the book

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that sort of kicked off that whole whole

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deluge of documentaries books articles

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on this mystery that became known as The

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Da Vinci Code mystery but it wasn't

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always known that way Henry was the one

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to kick it all off and of course he'll

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be with us and I spoke earlier with Tim

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Wallace Murphy who's a best-selling

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author and a very conversent in history

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of the region particularly regarding the

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Knights Templar but we're also going to

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have some experiential stuff because the

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the energy in that region is just

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absolutely unbelievable I know you've

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heard me talk about it you've heard me

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talk about with Gloria Amendola who I

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believe is going to be there with us

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whole also about the waters there that

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are very special about the telluric

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currents in the earth there that are

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really really strong in that area has

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been a magnet for different groups from

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ancient druids to sufis to all kinds of

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people there's legends of Isis temples

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being in the regions and on the same

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locations that are now medieval churches

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so lots to see lots to do let me know if

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you're interested and i'll be happy to

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fill you in and love to have you there

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with us now without any further delay

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i'd like to introduce my guest tonight

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he's one of the originals he is a UFO

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researcher extraordinaire he was going

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back in the 50s on this thing and so

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he's got a lot to say not only about

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historically and what was going on back

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then with people like major Donald Kehoe

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and with President Eisenhower but also

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he's got evidence hard physical evidence

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of a crash a UFO crash in New Mexico and

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no i am not talking about Roswell so let

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me introduce to you tonight art Campbell

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art thank you for being here with me

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tonight buddy will do great I'm so happy

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that you could get you could join me and

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thank you so much for the package that

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you sent to me I did just receive it and

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I haven't had a chance to go all through

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it but I have gone through some of it

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and I tell you my head is spinning it's

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it's amazing not only your new evidence

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but I was really finding exciting oh the

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document that you sent and you sent me a

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post it on the top that you said Renee

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this was the state of UFOs in the 1950s

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and then there were some quotes from

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some pretty major figures at that time

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it was very she would go to a lot of

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people around him in the early dating

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that he started his nijkamp group in 57

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I came on board at 58 59 and had war the

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first midwest nigh kappa groups we were

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in kansas city and i was a college

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student at the time and now nightcap

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stands for I know something I know the

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last two words or aerial phenomenon is

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it that right let's start beginning

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natural investigations Committee on

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aerial phenomena that's it yep and I

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remember hearing about that years ago

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and of course when I was working a UFO

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magazine a number of years back

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we ran some articles about some of the

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figures from the past and UFO research

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like major Donald Kehoe he was one of

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the most respected people at that time

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in this area of research but it all it

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looks like he was able to gather around

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some people that had some pretty high

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credentials that were willing to come

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out and say yes UFOs are real I mean

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people like clare boothe luce who was

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the ambassador to Italy Carl Jung the

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famous psychiatrist gosh has so many a

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different people it in the military and

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others i was like Barry Goldwater

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senator barry goldwater at that time so

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it was they were actually saying you

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know yeah the real now you'd be

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hard-pressed to find a lot of people in

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Washington especially right now that

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would stand up and say that well you

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know we have a much more polarized

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political parties and government data we

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did then and I think I back at

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Eisenhower administration they seem to

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be the last real one we had that was and

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the Congress that worked with him and

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said it to to get things done that

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seemed to be the way to go in those days

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work together and get things done I

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don't think that's quite sharing through

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to today oh absolutely not a you know

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and I can see how that would add to the

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you know inability of us to get the

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information out and released and for the

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unwillingness of people to come forward

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and they're worried about their image or

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what people are going to say bait you're

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right i think back in those days there

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was more of a camaraderie or you know

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more of a spirit of america that was

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sort of cohesive rather than you know

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one party against another party like

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like it seems to be today we have the

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conferences in those days that they have

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I recall one the first one was at at

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ambassador hotel Anna in Los Angeles

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Valley area about 1950 554 somewhere

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there mmm and the Georgia di she had

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some of the other people with contactees

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were there yeah there was an other one

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of George Van Tassel he had a little

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Airport and a snack bar out the middle

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of a desert whether the huge rock and it

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was named giant rock and any bill t

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integratron out there yeah he did he did

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yeah I think there was something about

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it that's supposed to spin around it has

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this lip or some you know sort of around

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the building it's supposed to spin

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around and then the idea was to reverse

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cell aging I think that was supposed to

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be the idea and cure disease and things

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like that but he's first subject tonight

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I'd like to have some of my agent

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reverse well wouldn't that be great if

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that could if that were true but now

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there was a story that i was reading

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among your material and you and I

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touched on the other day about President

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Eisenhower going to a meeting it had to

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do with extraterrestrials and they made

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it appear like he was going to do

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something else but he throw up and if i

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could mention my website we can talk

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about that at are you sure what we're

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talking about me i mentioned the website

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sure that's UFO crash calm right WWF

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oakridge book one word dot-com and the

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we have us at us eight page an

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eight-part series on the Eisenhower a

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Holland story that we came to us about

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two thousand six and we wrote this the

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entire thing up 45 or styles and i

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believe was

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every week for about six or seven weeks

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in 2007 though the tire thing is there

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for the readers to read about how

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Eisenhower was supposed to go hunting

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and came down with the sniffles

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according to his press secretary and a

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three hour later he shows up at holloman

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air force base in his big plane and

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there were 30 press people cooling their

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heels mostly at the bar in astrato

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billeted in Thomasville Georgia thinking

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he was out there plenty scrabble with

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Amy and he will since at all he's got on

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that plane as they sucked off the side

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gate of that plantation that they had a

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lot of gates the press were loud on

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there and so we're pretty sure he won't

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dispense the Air Force Base where he'd

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come in 30 miles north of Thomasville

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snuck out what Holland was there for day

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and he back and everybody said he looked

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well-rested and when they saw him with a

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lot of 24 hours later now what we're

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we're was there what state is that in

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Thomasville Georgia it's of southern

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Georgia in the Special Air Force Base is

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a base that used to train pilots during

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World War Two and they left it open

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because I tar it would go down there

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bertani and the Secretary of a treasurer

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named Humphrey those days had a

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plantation where he could go if you have

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privacy total privacy so that was a good

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plus for president and there's a whole

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plane load of the press went with him

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and we were in a crucial points in of

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the Red Chinese were showing a coup boy

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and Matsu some of your older a-listers

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will remember this and Eisenhower John

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Foster Dulles said that if they started

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any invasion they would be a nuclear

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weapon to use against them now I don't

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mean I don't think they'd been an h-bomb

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on Beijing but it would be possibly

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artillery shell they developed by that

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time and other things and so also as we

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know today at Taiwan remains free

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well now when he went made this side

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trip what was it that he was what was it

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that people think that he was doing they

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thought he was a charge of hunting

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hunting birds insulin William ups to the

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press on the 9th of februari and the

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whole story is there for your listeners

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if they want to read it was a comment in

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what would the what did he really do he

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went did he actually did he look at some

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guy who would let the base hospital she

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did rough you know know know who go

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ahead said he saw Eisenhower's plane

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landing Holloman Air Force Base about 4

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30 or five o'clock one evening we'd

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never found about the 20 secular

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februari and that's trough for

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february's therefore and we then found

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out that he has spoken in several places

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on the base and they had advertised he

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was coming and a roll the red carpet out

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but had a little sketchy don't what some

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of the guys holes are going to whatever

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and they cancel that and so everyone

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knew he was coming so when the whole

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base was a buzz it about 10,000

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civilians work at the home in those days

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and about 4,500 death and military

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people and there's a lot of shops that

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repair facility stuff there at all but

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it was a big where the volatile work was

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on airplanes in the southwest and I

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stasis in Harlem they had big shops here

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to work on it and people do what they

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were doing and they knew he was coming

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so I he's playing a point circle though

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the runway if I saw it then he went to

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landed on the one runway it opened one

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big runway at Holloman and stayed on the

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runway and didn't come back to the

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hangar well the word of group people

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there waiting for him with their

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people's dear people peering out all the

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windows and this friend of mine who was

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a medic at harvin was told by his super

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supervisor that there was a UFO hanging

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over one of the hangars and though they

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didn't know what UFO was and they call

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it a disk and he had to ask about what

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kind of dish you mean like this is at

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high school it was about 25 feet across

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it's just that no one hand

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gentlemen well did he ask his permission

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to go out and see it and they've been

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told of okie Eisenhower's activities

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that of what he came and not to talk or

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do anything so he he was a diet

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permission to go out of the hospital

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area that could take a look at this UFO

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and so we live several sides of the

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story and then we found some officers

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talking at coffee coffee shops that the

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Eisenhower landed and a silver dish were

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landed somewhere in the front of his

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pointed and another guy said well when

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we understood he was he walked out he

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said what would cook tough but distance

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it was either well sure was his walk and

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of course in every war had so I a first

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year with ice tower and they said that

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he had gone aboard for about 40 minutes

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and and then this is they'll maybe 200

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feet from that from Air Force One a bus

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it come out pick up all the crew there

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about eight of them and we don't know

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how true that is we don't Ike was there

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we saw his plane we know we spoke he did

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not speak about the flying saucers

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though he kind of said to people several

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groups of people keep up the good work

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we know you're doing great great things

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out here so with others and he was kind

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of stalling I think so feel evening to

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it you know the times over putting back

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Bellator hidden though and in East Coast

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and so when he came in about them Oh

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1130 12 o'clock just at the big party

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was that it was a was coming to an end

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that numbers he put on for all the press

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and you made a kick out of this they had

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invited a few ladies in town who had

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been divorced it wasn't long to the

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country club where they were holding

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this of this this party for the press

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and so everybody ever divorcee a town in

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a strapless gown showed up at that BTW

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and it was free alcohol so i think the

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press well distracted that evening they

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came back in about a half day later he's

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about the press conference

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I feel better now now was this in any

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did was Philip Corso Colonel Philip

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Corso aware of of that Eisenhower visit

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I was trying to remember in the book

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that I read years ago or so I was the

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only one to research this edition in

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addition to the gentleman that that was

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it was the medic there and nearly I

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Barry was the primary researcher on it

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and we talked about it at ages burg at

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the the offers they had their in 2009

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and the listeners can get it on the

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online the talk and and the witnesses we

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dug up and just uh just google

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eisenhower campbell comes up well it's

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out there and that was fast a story and

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they were really yes some some real good

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boost about five six years ago when this

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X legislature came out to Hampshire and

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said that he'd read a document where

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Eisenhower had met with several groups

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of aliens in the 50s we think it's

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possible that one of those groups was

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without involving that day right it

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could have been that same incident did

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was there any further information from

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that source no I he got transferred six

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months later to a air-sea rescue unit

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did used to Japan I thank you leaning

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into the North organism yeah and so he

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talked with you people who were two at

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the scene Eisenhower to her and speak

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but they wouldn't talk about what I was

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saying I'm sure it wasn't about the

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flying saucer other things a lot of

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secret take the Parliament still so are

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yeah but he's gone and I don't know but

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he's still with us nice time I heard he

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was taking chemotherapy but

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of it was a good man named Bill Kirkman

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and he he he said something you said up

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listen he's a wasabi I explained coming

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over the barracks and it was only one

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plane office so in those days now did

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anyone ever come out with any

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information on what that meeting might

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have been about or how it was conducted

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well the third hand Renee its third hand

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so it's pretty hard to guess what went

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on third hand you a third hand for that

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fit that this guy heard some officers

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talking that's first had it happen first

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first hand that somebody talked about it

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that he talked about the biz I think the

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third hand right so not many people knew

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that he went on the meeting and and we

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pulled that out we assume that he

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might've go on with our research and the

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your listeners can read the story wow

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that's that's amazing now back in those

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days in the in the 50s when you know the

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ufology I guess as we term it today was

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kind of a new new area because i think

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this sprang out of like the UFO flaps in

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the late 40s and in the 50s at the time

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that you were actually researching UFOs

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did you come upon any current cases or

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any evidence that what was happening

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right then and there that you were able

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to look into her uh I guess you know the

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one contact e 40 portrait for a keyhole

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and on the back of the book he ho makes

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a very nice comment of our work and and

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if you have to have it might be there

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i'm not going to a what it says that you

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easily hostess and at those days there

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was a big mix-up between contact these

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and people who are scientifically

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serious and identity came to Georgia day

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as he came to kansas city and

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and had a meeting and then went to

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davenport iowa and came back by airplane

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and he told his secretary who was at the

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airport with the friends of his study

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club weekend city at the airport that

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she gets his tickets cash to end because

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he was taken to davenport the Flying

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Saucer a little train stopped he got off

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well I wrote dr. I got all the doctor

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major Keyhoe on the phone and I said

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would you like me to look into this is I

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sarah would and i said i want to send

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you a badge i said no go to swerve ENT

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Lorna was this a bad you'll get you

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never wear well it did we go think about

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three inches long and watch case back

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half investigator febrile court they may

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be said it back to him that was kind of

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painful we were able to get a five

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people or the railroad to make

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statements including a tower operator an

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engineer the conductor to Charak origins

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that the plane Oh train only stopped for

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a couple seconds which was an FCC FAA

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rule that one cracked set of track was

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going perpendicular to another and any

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train coming to that spot had to stop

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and look you know and which is spark so

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he would have had time to get off to

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anything and he later was that summer

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went to England and a some guy had

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gotten ahold of an i have article at

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confetti with us but this material and

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he tried to grab the papers and

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everything they will pull himself and

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you're talking about a damn ski yes I am

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s George Adamski yeah I just buy a nice

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manner is a his mother was polish III

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think this Egyptian and his dad was

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polish and a Georgia the nds that time

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and world war one in the cavalry hmm

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that's cavalry yeah but according to

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your investigation you were not able to

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substantiate any of his claims and in

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fact it's your opinion that his story

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was not true that's that's right we

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could substantiate none of these claims

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he claimed that the vestibule was open

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defense against the law that's the steps

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the the people the old who the buyers

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will travel the trains we've ever going

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on the set of battle steps at the top of

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that was a door clicked onto the side of

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the inside of the the simple is the

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stairway and when the train was

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operational that door came down almost

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ever call closed off and you could walk

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over a little and without a window but

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vespula never was opened it was and he

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claimed that he claimed that he was down

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in the vestibule he came he got off and

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walked around for a few minutes train

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stopped is someone I love is it some of

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it had come up and said well right here

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come with me and they would have got his

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luggage which is still at the vestibule

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and trades off for two seconds and I

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don't think Superman could have done any

534
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good ain't done in two seconds unless

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they had missing time maybe they could

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add missing time but he thought was a

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surprise stop it that the train through

538
00:26:47,949 --> 00:26:46,639
go to that this train goes wetta Iowa I

539
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:47,959
think about three times a week they

540
00:26:54,129 --> 00:26:50,570
always stop there didn't it as a traitor

541
00:26:56,169 --> 00:26:54,139
learned late though the train was late

542
00:26:59,159 --> 00:26:56,179
because of holiday traffic this was a

543
00:27:03,669 --> 00:26:59,169
simmer of which there were third

544
00:27:06,399 --> 00:27:03,679
nineteen fifty fifty eight and there was

545
00:27:08,649 --> 00:27:06,409
a TWA strike and it showed a lot of

546
00:27:12,810 --> 00:27:08,659
people TW it was a house of those days

547
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:12,820
intensity and it's through a lot of air

548
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,849
travel plans awry and so you're lucky to

549
00:27:21,729 --> 00:27:18,559
get a ticket on the plane when there's a

550
00:27:24,339 --> 00:27:21,739
one area of town and this one strike and

551
00:27:25,779 --> 00:27:24,349
the big international airport hadn't

552
00:27:29,349 --> 00:27:25,789
opened up yet like they have non katha

553
00:27:31,299 --> 00:27:29,359
city but know that there were a lot of

554
00:27:33,489 --> 00:27:31,309
people on the train and nobody

555
00:27:34,989 --> 00:27:33,499
remembered him even probably was in

556
00:27:38,579 --> 00:27:34,999
there just reading of disfavor something

557
00:27:44,619 --> 00:27:38,589
which no i don't think he had any

558
00:27:47,289 --> 00:27:44,629
experience getting off the train or we

559
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:47,299
approached by of devices of the UFO

560
00:27:50,169 --> 00:27:49,129
covering the trees we won't take you up

561
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:50,179
there

562
00:27:55,930 --> 00:27:54,080
yeah somebody contacted the person up

563
00:27:58,450 --> 00:27:55,940
there where he was supposed that they

564
00:28:00,639 --> 00:27:58,460
posted meet him and he came out of the

565
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:00,649
crowd at the railroad station and did a

566
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:05,210
damn fort and so they assumed he came up

567
00:28:10,239 --> 00:28:07,970
with the train that he didn't say a word

568
00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:10,249
to them because they see him come up

569
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:13,220
that you know come up a stairway so only

570
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:16,369
about these things you were able to find

571
00:28:22,330 --> 00:28:20,090
the people that met him that night we

572
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:22,340
were able to find the found out that he

573
00:28:30,190 --> 00:28:24,769
arrived at the station at that board and

574
00:28:32,529 --> 00:28:30,200
on time so you folks make it probably at

575
00:28:37,629 --> 00:28:32,539
five minutes this is a ra-tard trip by

576
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:37,639
train I don't know what they did for

577
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:41,570
eight hours if he was it a UFO maybe

578
00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:44,570
they have a subject I don't know wow you

579
00:28:49,419 --> 00:28:46,820
know I think this is a good time to take

580
00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:49,429
a quick break here at the top of the

581
00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:52,340
hour and we're talking with art Campbell

582
00:28:57,639 --> 00:28:54,350
we're talking about his extensive career

583
00:28:59,289 --> 00:28:57,649
as a UFO researcher and we're going to

584
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get into some of his new events a little

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bit later on so hang on to your hats

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hi everyone we're back you're listening

627
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to night vision radio our guest tonight

628
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:24,850
is art gamble I'm your host Renee

629
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:26,950
Barnett and art has been talking about

630
00:32:34,919 --> 00:32:31,210
his amazing career as a UFO researcher

631
00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:34,929
art before we go any further about your

632
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:37,900
research let's let people know again

633
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:40,570
that they can go to your web page while

634
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we're talking here we're going to be

635
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talking especially a little bit later in

636
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the show about some of the very things

637
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:49,059
that they're going to see there it is

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UFO crash book.com UFO crash book com so

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check it out and we're going to be art

640
00:33:01,019 --> 00:32:59,590
we'll be talking about some particular

641
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:01,029
things that you're going to see on the

642
00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:05,260
site now art can you talk a little bit

643
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:07,630
more about your other background what

644
00:33:12,029 --> 00:33:09,700
you were doing before you got into

645
00:33:13,289 --> 00:33:12,039
ufology and in what kind of work that

646
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:13,299
you've been involved in because you've

647
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,049
had a regular a pretty interesting life

648
00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:19,360
well I have I have a very interesting

649
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:22,870
life and I started out pretty much like

650
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:25,750
most people my age Leland Korean working

651
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:27,520
tomorrow about time I was 18 and I

652
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:30,610
picked four years of Navy and I read a

653
00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:34,000
few occurrences paranormal stuff on the

654
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:36,220
radio I was a short station kinda bored

655
00:33:40,919 --> 00:33:39,100
there and I get a radio hooked up my

656
00:33:42,659 --> 00:33:40,929
bone so I was listening to Frank Edwards

657
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,669
or somebody every night and I got

658
00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:44,559
interested in the paranormal material

659
00:33:49,289 --> 00:33:46,360
and it wasn't buying into all of it but

660
00:33:51,090 --> 00:33:49,299
I was very interested and I picked up a

661
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,100
book by Frank Scully the first one

662
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,440
written I think he wrote that he's 50

663
00:33:58,409 --> 00:33:56,559
and I found it what they call a nickel

664
00:34:00,980 --> 00:33:58,419
stature which was a little fairy that

665
00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:00,990
went out to North Island from San Diego

666
00:34:07,049 --> 00:34:05,020
North I was a big pork chops a pilot now

667
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,059
this branches today but we should call

668
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,040
this nickel stature as it actually costs

669
00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:11,679
a dime but anyhow we can go to and from

670
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,750
on the island with this oldest boat well

671
00:34:16,859 --> 00:34:15,040
I was sitting there waiting with a boat

672
00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:16,869
what they are look at this books and

673
00:34:20,909 --> 00:34:18,669
bought it and this I almost missed the

674
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,919
boat so you guys had a vaca governor

675
00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:22,960
nabis I jump talking about ten time he

676
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:25,000
did with her rope so that was my first

677
00:34:29,659 --> 00:34:26,760
first book

678
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:29,669
and it was grace kelly book it's quite

679
00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:32,580
well known something like flying saucers

680
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:36,750
are real or something like that and so I

681
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:39,810
got out of the service and was going to

682
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,440
a school in Kansas City I was originally

683
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:45,780
started out to be an art teacher so I

684
00:34:53,419 --> 00:34:47,370
was going to a school back to call the

685
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:53,429
Art Institute and I had pursued some of

686
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:55,980
these interests and we had a UFO city

687
00:35:00,830 --> 00:34:58,800
club started about 1957 and I was a

688
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:00,840
charter member that and then later on

689
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:03,540
about a year later we moved over to

690
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:05,310
nightcap I thought a little more meat

691
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:07,850
there was always famous people than

692
00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:12,750
being with a Sunday afternoon since with

693
00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:14,550
a group of people I didn't really take

694
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:17,100
you walk be with and they all talking

695
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:20,010
with very nice people but real place was

696
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:24,210
just read as the different ones and in

697
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:25,950
those days a contacting were mixed in

698
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:30,930
with religion and all kinds of things

699
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:32,550
that that seems some people think there

700
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:35,850
were part of the devil and so forth so

701
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:38,130
on so it was kind of a difficult thing

702
00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:40,710
to belong to a group like that but that

703
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:42,840
camp was pretty straightforward i had to

704
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,140
get appeal to me so we couldn't remember

705
00:35:53,830 --> 00:35:49,920
involves six months or so would the dead

706
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:53,840
if you came in to teach speech and

707
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:56,370
correct me if i'm wrong but it seems

708
00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:00,180
like you know nightcap was sort of taken

709
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:04,140
seriously and that i think that is

710
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:08,640
because the big sort of misinformation

711
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:12,060
disinformation campaign had not yet

712
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:15,570
really begun and i think there was

713
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:18,990
there's been sort of a i don't know if

714
00:36:24,350 --> 00:36:22,290
it's been a planned campaign but it just

715
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:24,360
seems like there's been a way of sort of

716
00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:27,750
like anyone saying i saw a UFO or I had

717
00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:31,470
a UFO experience people have been made

718
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:34,620
fun of and not taken seriously and think

719
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:37,950
oh there must be crazy or some kind of a

720
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:40,680
nut or some kind of crazy hillbilly

721
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:42,990
farmer or something like that you know

722
00:36:48,620 --> 00:36:46,140
and that hadn't been done yet and people

723
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,630
were just seeing things in the sky and

724
00:36:54,319 --> 00:36:50,880
saying okay there's something there we

725
00:36:57,069 --> 00:36:54,329
need to check that out you know I that

726
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:57,079
was as it came it came pretty easily

727
00:37:01,549 --> 00:36:59,339
there was a to the sky and they really

728
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:01,559
made some pictures debate some newspaper

729
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:05,099
of the base of newspaper articles for

730
00:37:10,549 --> 00:37:07,079
the magazine articles I think Life

731
00:37:13,819 --> 00:37:10,559
magazine done 52 had a had a big long

732
00:37:17,329 --> 00:37:13,829
series of articles so what issue of war

733
00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:17,339
but are we being visited and that seems

734
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:19,230
summer we were that's when they had to

735
00:37:24,049 --> 00:37:22,260
fly over UFOs in Washington DC I think

736
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:24,059
you were 34 you thought was flying

737
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,040
around at the background of the capital

738
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:27,680
this is the famous pictures of it around

739
00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:29,970
and so apparently they didn't

740
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:35,220
particularly hint at the time their

741
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:37,650
interest in us primarily was it wasn't

742
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:40,980
it was our nuclear capacity and they

743
00:37:45,049 --> 00:37:43,380
would manage to fly over all the sites

744
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:45,059
where they were due clear bombs of the

745
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:47,849
historic or where they're being made and

746
00:37:55,819 --> 00:37:50,640
that possibly may have had something to

747
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:55,829
do with with Eisenhower in 55 and as a

748
00:38:01,880 --> 00:37:58,140
matter of fact the first world peace

749
00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:01,890
meeting was it the fall at 55 I believe

750
00:38:08,299 --> 00:38:06,990
and it took 40 years for the Soviet

751
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:08,309
Union to collapse of other things like

752
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:11,609
that but I think I've never been part of

753
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:16,920
that yeah well that's pretty pretty wild

754
00:38:24,859 --> 00:38:21,480
now were you um well you did you do any

755
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,869
looking into at all the the Betty and

756
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:27,839
Barney Hill abduction case I when was

757
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:31,049
that 69 or something like that kate

758
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:33,720
mccann the book was 69 I think the thing

759
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:38,220
happened to 64 I had friend here in I

760
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:40,980
live in orem the Medford Oregon and a

761
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:42,780
friend of mine had been corresponding

762
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:46,710
with Betty hill and so I didn't really

763
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:48,450
do anything more than talk to this

764
00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:52,619
friend and the read the book and they

765
00:38:56,329 --> 00:38:54,390
were was still still alive as

766
00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:56,339
in the somewhere on the East Coast so

767
00:39:01,579 --> 00:38:58,619
they didn't speak I don't think Betty

768
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:01,589
ever spoke at least not where I could

769
00:39:10,309 --> 00:39:05,369
hear and at that time the topic of

770
00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:10,319
aliens was more taboo that the UFOs were

771
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:12,630
right somebody had to be inside those

772
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:14,460
days or controlling it remotely from

773
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:17,160
somewhere but what I would start

774
00:39:22,549 --> 00:39:20,700
teaching in 1960 I said what would put

775
00:39:25,759 --> 00:39:22,559
this on the wall hang it up for a while

776
00:39:27,319 --> 00:39:25,769
and I was in small towns and there was

777
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:27,329
hardly anybody there are interested in

778
00:39:34,579 --> 00:39:29,490
real close and so it worked out just

779
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:34,589
fine and when I came back in there is

780
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:37,260
all the talk was about aliens I saw a

781
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:39,510
display of a shopping center in the

782
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,210
nineteen eighty-nine I retired and I

783
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,920
thought wolf would have been here this

784
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:45,480
blue guard things these are they inside

785
00:39:49,789 --> 00:39:48,210
you know so that 30 years and I've kind

786
00:39:53,269 --> 00:39:49,799
of been left in the dust so to speak so

787
00:39:55,220 --> 00:39:53,279
I worked on the 45 years before I after

788
00:39:57,980 --> 00:39:55,230
89 when I retired for I came to the site

789
00:40:00,920 --> 00:39:57,990
and Stanton Friedman those one who told

790
00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:00,930
me not that's right that's right now I

791
00:40:07,339 --> 00:40:03,750
mean of course I don't know anybody who

792
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:07,349
hasn't heard ad nauseam about and I

793
00:40:13,309 --> 00:40:09,690
don't mean that in a bad way about

794
00:40:16,099 --> 00:40:13,319
Roswell everybody Roswell you say just

795
00:40:22,819 --> 00:40:16,109
that name and people immediately think

796
00:40:25,099 --> 00:40:22,829
of UFO crash 1947 July but you and then

797
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:25,109
we've heard about the crash at Corona

798
00:40:31,009 --> 00:40:27,990
we've heard of the crash at Socorro but

799
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:31,019
you're talking about a site that Stanton

800
00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:34,500
Friedman who's a nuclear physicist was

801
00:40:41,809 --> 00:40:37,230
that his title he's a physicist I know

802
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:41,819
that yeah I'm nuclear physicist and a

803
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:45,390
you know long time again researcher told

804
00:40:50,749 --> 00:40:48,089
you because you said oh my gosh I wish

805
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:50,759
I'd have gotten a chance to get at a

806
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:53,460
crash site you know of course was that

807
00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:56,910
Renee I just uh I guess master all would

808
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:59,099
get completely decimated already there

809
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:00,599
wasn't anything really left there I

810
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:04,170
guess well he'd been out there and at

811
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:07,049
1990 and was seeing her with a guy one

812
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:07,710
of the guys who

813
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:09,570
discovered us in severity so I by the

814
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:13,980
way and what was that guy's name Gerald

815
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:16,500
Anderson Oh Gerald Anderson's when they

816
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:19,050
discovered it he discredited himself

817
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:22,050
early on my offering a phone bill and

818
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:24,210
the entire UFO community was that well

819
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:26,070
he must be a liar so who will believe

820
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:29,580
anything he says but are now Stanton

821
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:31,770
Friedman sub crash at Corona by the way

822
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:36,180
was another version of Roswell the the

823
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:38,310
the Christ material was closer to little

824
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:41,490
town of Corona and Roswell was 75 miles

825
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:44,250
away so he just named his to book a

826
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:47,430
crashing rota in any case at the page 74

827
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:48,900
your head of your blisters who have

828
00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:51,000
tragic wrote it I stand free but i

829
00:41:56,780 --> 00:41:53,580
believe Berliner was the other author I

830
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:56,790
can turn to page 70 and see Georgia

831
00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:59,460
Anderson pointed up a hill with four men

832
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:02,040
behind him exactly where we found UFO

833
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:06,180
material and that is st. Augustine yes

834
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,510
it is that's st. Augustine New Mexico so

835
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:12,480
yeah hope dry like that 50 miles long

836
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:15,030
about 8 to 10 mar 15 at 10 miles wide

837
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:18,330
various places and a glacier had melted

838
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:21,300
in the area during the Ice Age and don't

839
00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:22,500
work for the water to go without of this

840
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:24,750
Basin it didn't have a river running

841
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:27,720
into it so over about five thousand year

842
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:32,280
period 135 165 feet of water evaporated

843
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:34,310
every year and and this was perfect

844
00:42:40,070 --> 00:42:36,630
place for the Native Americans to come

845
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,080
naked fish birds there's game they all

846
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:42,960
feel like that so it was quite a of

847
00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:46,380
American with a lot of Indian material

848
00:42:58,849 --> 00:42:54,630
around there and but we found some areas

849
00:43:02,660 --> 00:42:58,859
aware of the lake had been a 165 feet

850
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:02,670
evil time and the left a lot of silt we

851
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:03,960
herded into it sometimes we were looking

852
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:06,570
for stuff that had below that there was

853
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:08,940
some chalky ground which appeared was

854
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:14,460
the original of bottom of lake bed so it

855
00:43:23,779 --> 00:43:21,620
this is quite an effort but yeah freamon

856
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:23,789
had been there and with several other

857
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:25,910
well-known UFO people's a time and

858
00:43:36,799 --> 00:43:28,650
they're saying here 99 pointing up hill

859
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:36,809
and now what this crash is how far from

860
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:40,950
the so-called crash at Roswell or crash

861
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:44,940
at Corona hundred sixty miles under 60

862
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,609
miles from Roswell in narok 35 outdoors

863
00:43:56,420 --> 00:43:51,900
and I think the briefing was about 30

864
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:56,430
miles north mmm whoa what do they do and

865
00:44:01,519 --> 00:43:58,619
when was this crash that at st.

866
00:44:03,739 --> 00:44:01,529
Augustine when did that happen july

867
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:03,749
second 1947 was when it was first

868
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:06,390
discovered so the day before on it or

869
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:07,890
the rival with her was brought to town

870
00:44:16,749 --> 00:44:14,160
oh just uh oh wow so it was before so

871
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:16,759
you don't think it was all one event

872
00:44:23,959 --> 00:44:22,049
well it's possibly they collided and one

873
00:44:26,839 --> 00:44:23,969
went down they could have collided over

874
00:44:29,509 --> 00:44:26,849
tau Socorro what what the roswell one

875
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:29,519
was out here and we just was discovered

876
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:31,710
roswell and one was just maybe

877
00:44:39,799 --> 00:44:35,609
discovered before the other one well we

878
00:44:42,799 --> 00:44:39,809
think this was an isolated place hard to

879
00:44:44,479 --> 00:44:42,809
get into there was a lot of locked gates

880
00:44:45,979 --> 00:44:44,489
there don't worry about cattle getting

881
00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:45,989
out where the rustlers coming in with a

882
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:50,190
big problem and we think an

883
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:51,900
inexperienced military unit came up

884
00:44:55,819 --> 00:44:53,430
there and tried to cover over everything

885
00:44:59,509 --> 00:44:55,829
with some sanity of all dirt they got

886
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,519
all the Royal and somebody didn't tell

887
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:02,400
their 14 inches rain every year hmm and

888
00:45:08,029 --> 00:45:04,130
some material we found on the surface

889
00:45:11,749 --> 00:45:08,039
hmm literally found on the surface yeah

890
00:45:13,729 --> 00:45:11,759
I know you their photographs of some of

891
00:45:15,769 --> 00:45:13,739
those materials on your website if

892
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:15,779
people want to hop over there and have a

893
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:21,170
look that UFO crash book.com you know

894
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:25,859
kind of a running narration thereof on

895
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:27,510
the side of the

896
00:45:33,590 --> 00:45:30,810
the left hand side of the margin we saw

897
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:33,600
at least seven or eight items that we

898
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:37,680
found there and then we have chapters

899
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:41,810
down below that it read numbers and

900
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:46,260
every red number or there is a chapter

901
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:47,670
of the book tell you what's in it

902
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:52,290
doesn't something sketch of it okay now

903
00:45:59,420 --> 00:45:56,250
can you just describe for people who may

904
00:46:01,940 --> 00:45:59,430
not be looking at her for people that

905
00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:01,950
you that are what are some of the

906
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:04,230
objects are some of the materials that

907
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:07,020
you did fine first stuff we found was

908
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:10,260
foil and it was a row the leg of all

909
00:46:14,810 --> 00:46:13,110
over the place and and we win was

910
00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:14,820
checked it out to see if it could be

911
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:16,860
barbecue for something like that they

912
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:19,530
didn't sell foiled in that area to the

913
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:21,660
ranch wives they had their own ways of

914
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:23,370
putting up produce those data they can

915
00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:26,190
they eat fresh meat they'd have a so

916
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,620
that didn't have power to nineteen

917
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:31,260
eighty eighty nine so they could dis

918
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:33,630
readers so the the Western way of

919
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:36,270
preserving food was was they did quite

920
00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:37,970
well with our for I was first that one

921
00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:41,070
found that seen advertised a dis papers

922
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:43,560
and one ranch lady said well we gotta

923
00:46:48,590 --> 00:46:45,480
roll it were home at class about

924
00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:48,600
nineteen fifty-five years old and we

925
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,390
thought what do with it and somebody

926
00:46:56,810 --> 00:46:52,800
bake cookies already said it didn't last

927
00:46:59,420 --> 00:46:56,820
longer to that so they had team used and

928
00:47:01,520 --> 00:46:59,430
so there weren't enough people out there

929
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:01,530
to have barbecues there would be more

930
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,470
doesn't be the living tomorrow away and

931
00:47:08,570 --> 00:47:06,480
what's always fall day here what turned

932
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:08,580
out the floor was had some coatings on

933
00:47:15,830 --> 00:47:13,530
it important of elements on one side it

934
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:15,840
was mostly aluminum and on the one side

935
00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:19,410
will be 35 or 40 different elements on

936
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,470
that once other side of the foil and we

937
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:24,240
think about a dozen of them where main

938
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:25,980
element says that aliens had it for

939
00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:28,200
whatever reason and the rest of our

940
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:29,550
trace elements that have to be in

941
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:33,450
aluminum they were music hmm now did

942
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:37,020
that have any qualities that metal like

943
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:40,710
the metal that we heard Jesse Marcel

944
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:41,460
talking

945
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,410
out from the yes it was it was it what

946
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:48,300
we're what we're hearing called memory

947
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:50,970
metal one of our chat room members is

948
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:53,070
asking the same question he says memory

949
00:47:59,780 --> 00:47:57,030
metal get the questions office and you

950
00:48:03,410 --> 00:47:59,790
don't remember any memory metal and as a

951
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:03,420
matter of fact the foil we found you

952
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:05,220
could want it up put your plug in a big

953
00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:08,520
a wonderful potato water throat school

954
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:11,070
it's but come one fold if you wanted to

955
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:14,070
so okay so what we found I think the

956
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:15,810
story is true but this for Betemit or

957
00:48:21,980 --> 00:48:19,500
sixty years and whatever quality divide

958
00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:21,990
have had on it we thought pieces a sort

959
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:23,790
of like the old fashioned wood shingles

960
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,800
and we think they were kind of late

961
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,480
inside the craft for whatever reason we

962
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:28,800
don't know why and each one was

963
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:32,040
different and each one had a different

964
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:36,089
formula and again you listed if they get

965
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:39,210
to a button on the internet on the web

966
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:42,650
site called metal analysis covert

967
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:46,920
they'll find how we how what a wonderful

968
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:50,070
job he did of of analyzing these this

969
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,010
was these pieces of oil and it's 42 page

970
00:49:01,880 --> 00:48:56,880
report there or the first six pieces of

971
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:01,890
metal we had 50 profile in date what was

972
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:06,720
it England out horrible yeah was there

973
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:09,480
something unusual about it that didn't

974
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:13,040
make it seem like it came from Earth

975
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:17,400
well yeah it was different thicknesses

976
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:20,130
and we did a piper work with it with the

977
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:25,980
overflow adestria they came to up and up

978
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:28,560
and coming because of the amount of

979
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:30,089
aluminum that was left over World War

980
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:32,099
two that's how the foil companies got

981
00:49:39,460 --> 00:49:35,460
started and if you could buy a roll of

982
00:49:42,020 --> 00:49:39,470
Alcoa or a Reynolds Wrap at the store

983
00:49:47,660 --> 00:49:42,030
they will probably die nine percent

984
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:47,670
aluminum maybe a half percent iron and a

985
00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:50,250
half percent of silicon it's almost pure

986
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:54,440
aluminum write these things had

987
00:50:02,200 --> 00:49:59,359
up to 40 different Elvis on one side and

988
00:50:04,510 --> 00:50:02,210
it was amazing we did whiskey we get big

989
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:04,520
enough we don't what it was it and mr.

990
00:50:11,740 --> 00:50:07,310
Rawat advised organizations paid for

991
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:11,750
hows about things I've analyzed well and

992
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:14,930
they came up with a all these coatings

993
00:50:22,030 --> 00:50:18,290
and they could be seen in that that

994
00:50:24,099 --> 00:50:22,040
report and what was the most compelling

995
00:50:28,109 --> 00:50:24,109
piece of evidence that you found there

996
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:28,119
or I guess maybe the most unusual thing

997
00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:31,430
well you know we expect to find metal

998
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:35,900
around a plane crash and Leasing living

999
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,670
metal there think people are the two

1000
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:40,160
things that come to mind down about

1001
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:44,150
halfway down on the roof of pictures are

1002
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:46,700
my website are two things that we call

1003
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:49,790
honeycombs and they're like a thick wasp

1004
00:50:56,890 --> 00:50:54,160
nest and about it should have fixed and

1005
00:51:00,339 --> 00:50:56,900
apparently they SAT between an inner and

1006
00:51:01,930 --> 00:51:00,349
outer layer on the craft and interact

1007
00:51:05,710 --> 00:51:01,940
something interacted inside the

1008
00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:05,720
honeycomb causing probably some power to

1009
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:09,260
be generated possibly higher gravity and

1010
00:51:13,630 --> 00:51:10,910
so they're actually used these aluminum

1011
00:51:16,780 --> 00:51:13,640
honeycombs to produce power at the

1012
00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:16,790
bottom of the craft because the craft

1013
00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:20,740
came in anniston straight off baby all

1014
00:51:24,819 --> 00:51:22,790
something about the size of a card table

1015
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:24,829
at the bottom of it and that's this

1016
00:51:29,950 --> 00:51:27,010
material some of that material we found

1017
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:29,960
and that was fascinating then the other

1018
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:32,480
thing is called the artifact and it's

1019
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:37,119
down lower in the sequence has an actual

1020
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:41,450
bottom there and so possible ET artifact

1021
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:44,690
or body part and this is work in kurtal

1022
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:46,970
courcel comes in he said that they the

1023
00:51:53,650 --> 00:51:51,290
army rd had taken had discovered that

1024
00:51:57,609 --> 00:51:53,660
the alien bodies some of whom had

1025
00:52:02,349 --> 00:51:57,619
artificial parts and this may be an

1026
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:02,359
artificial part of a clone maybe it's

1027
00:52:07,780 --> 00:52:05,569
about the size of your fist and that we

1028
00:52:10,330 --> 00:52:07,790
got inside there i found

1029
00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:10,340
some very interesting and stuff found a

1030
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,160
little gold wire time to go wire other

1031
00:52:18,610 --> 00:52:16,160
stuff but we've never cut it open so we

1032
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:18,620
we don't know exactly we don't want to

1033
00:52:25,150 --> 00:52:20,690
get a nobody diesel it relative isn't

1034
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,160
opened but another one that will a lot

1035
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:27,440
of women arrested is this brings out the

1036
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:28,970
paternal aspect of the whole thing is

1037
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:31,910
they found a side issue so it's at the

1038
00:52:37,690 --> 00:52:35,030
bottom of the website homepage it looks

1039
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:37,700
pink but I try to get faded red it's

1040
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:38,930
pretty hard to make something faded red

1041
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:41,690
it's not pink but we found that that

1042
00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:44,630
fabric on that shoe for the outer fabric

1043
00:52:51,610 --> 00:52:47,870
we pull some underneath the soul and was

1044
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:51,620
read more morose and here's the whale is

1045
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:53,390
running around with great uniforms and

1046
00:53:01,420 --> 00:52:56,570
pink and pink shoes that one must be the

1047
00:53:03,820 --> 00:53:01,430
patient staples itself and we don't

1048
00:53:06,370 --> 00:53:03,830
think the shoot probably was maybe not

1049
00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:06,380
have been warned third Colonel course

1050
00:53:11,590 --> 00:53:08,750
will thought that the alien body had

1051
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:11,600
some circuitry going through it and they

1052
00:53:16,290 --> 00:53:13,850
were able to control the craft by leg

1053
00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:16,300
and certain part of the circuitry and

1054
00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:19,160
manipulating the controls it wasn't for

1055
00:53:24,010 --> 00:53:21,860
like one of our planes and rubber shoes

1056
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:24,020
wouldn't work that well what the work

1057
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:26,330
for the in that specific current which

1058
00:53:30,220 --> 00:53:27,530
was it come through and wouldn't gone

1059
00:53:32,860 --> 00:53:30,230
through your feet so we think that is

1060
00:53:38,850 --> 00:53:32,870
somewhere if they in the little craft

1061
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:38,860
contiguous about 25 30 feet cross that

1062
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:41,690
the shoes were blown off of an alien or

1063
00:53:47,470 --> 00:53:44,240
which storage and they came out one to

1064
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:47,480
wonder when the was a big split inside

1065
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:50,570
of the craft and those found four bodies

1066
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:54,200
came out three bodies and uh and they

1067
00:54:00,550 --> 00:53:56,290
think maybe that I blows one of those

1068
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:00,560
and unusual because it's fork seven

1069
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:03,350
eight inches long and it's only an inch

1070
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:06,770
to quarter wide front of the heel now

1071
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:08,750
all of us have grown through for it

1072
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:11,210
seven they said split but it's also

1073
00:54:18,310 --> 00:54:15,290
three inches wide and we set this

1074
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:18,320
material off to about 3 30 different

1075
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:21,760
shoe companies and they had no ID

1076
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:28,510
it was well they had no idea what the

1077
00:54:36,090 --> 00:54:31,270
material was oh we do what material was

1078
00:54:38,940 --> 00:54:36,100
we have that job at a diagram and in the

1079
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:38,950
book that we broke down the hall of

1080
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:42,550
material and his nine layers of a

1081
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,310
different stuff there semin was

1082
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:48,240
cellulose whistle indentation cotton

1083
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:51,310
some all had something added to it we

1084
00:55:00,990 --> 00:54:56,710
couldn't identify the the the fibers

1085
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:01,000
were coated with some material that was

1086
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,920
unidentifiable two of the people who

1087
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:05,440
were doing our work we had some very

1088
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:09,730
famous labs working on it and McCrone

1089
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:11,950
associates in the Chicago area was the

1090
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:13,530
one that did both of our work with you

1091
00:55:20,070 --> 00:55:17,200
and I had to do if I just say one found

1092
00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:20,080
in the state's top listen which never

1093
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:23,140
seen it like this now the you know you

1094
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:25,720
said it was a like a small shoe sole

1095
00:55:37,370 --> 00:55:30,910
right so yeah so yeah each other and

1096
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,380
then how about how big was it 47 HSS law

1097
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:40,480
the inning Harris part for the heel was

1098
00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:44,590
wanted in four pitches it's not mean

1099
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:47,830
[\h__\h] just like a shoe sorry for those

1100
00:55:55,290 --> 00:55:51,130
who care for those who can't see their

1101
00:55:57,570 --> 00:55:55,300
the website at the moment is it shaped

1102
00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:57,580
just like a regular shoe so I mean was

1103
00:56:01,830 --> 00:55:59,050
that how you knew it was a shoe sole

1104
00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:01,840
because it's that was shaped we were

1105
00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:04,870
sure it was because uh she sold is a

1106
00:56:10,740 --> 00:56:07,830
pretty common and everybody wear them

1107
00:56:13,590 --> 00:56:10,750
and you thought well did you think at

1108
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:13,600
first maybe this is a child's soon so

1109
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:16,150
I'm not maybe possibly at first invited

1110
00:56:20,220 --> 00:56:18,610
a child and then I was in a residence

1111
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:20,230
researcher found out the child's feet

1112
00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:24,400
grow outward also about the time they

1113
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:27,340
start running around the meat wines are

1114
00:56:32,010 --> 00:56:30,250
the archers develop and by the way the

1115
00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:32,020
shoot is not with this are both side of

1116
00:56:40,070 --> 00:56:35,140
an arch support so

1117
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,080
oh and I forgot to fill at 91 time and

1118
00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:42,880
they said well we can't look at anybody

1119
00:56:47,490 --> 00:56:45,340
any other shoes been made by anybody

1120
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:47,500
else and I said well I just thought I'd

1121
00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:49,330
drop by have some questions and all we

1122
00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:51,640
can't help you so some guy came to me at

1123
00:56:56,670 --> 00:56:53,260
the park announced they say can I mean

1124
00:56:59,820 --> 00:56:56,680
if economy after what is useful yet so I

1125
00:57:03,810 --> 00:56:59,830
married a starbuck were a cup of coffee

1126
00:57:05,250 --> 00:57:03,820
and he said where'd you get this will we

1127
00:57:08,010 --> 00:57:05,260
found out the desert did I tell you

1128
00:57:09,330 --> 00:57:08,020
about youth older though and he said we

1129
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:09,340
couldn't make sure like this make any

1130
00:57:12,810 --> 00:57:11,650
profit I don't who could make a shoe at

1131
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:12,820
nine layers like this would make a

1132
00:57:21,330 --> 00:57:16,240
profit and I didn't have a heart telling

1133
00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:21,340
it wasn't fog made here and you did but

1134
00:57:24,890 --> 00:57:22,660
you said you did check with shoe

1135
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:24,900
manufacturers and you couldn't identify

1136
00:57:30,450 --> 00:57:28,150
exactly that would make it to adults

1137
00:57:35,970 --> 00:57:30,460
cowboy blues boxes we wrote letter

1138
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:35,980
almost 30 of them her mom got 15 amor

1139
00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:39,760
today i justyou for pick me and I looked

1140
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:41,560
them up they got very wide feet what

1141
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:46,270
does that yeah who so it was a mystery

1142
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:48,490
it will always remain a mystery until we

1143
00:57:55,650 --> 00:57:51,730
fired the footage isset yeah yeah got

1144
00:57:58,770 --> 00:57:55,660
hold of rest over day now yup it's

1145
00:58:02,640 --> 00:57:58,780
actually about time for our second break

1146
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:02,650
here so I think this is a good time for

1147
00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:05,650
it I hope that my producer MJ concurs

1148
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:09,580
with that and we are talking with art

1149
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:13,000
gamble he is a UFO researcher for many

1150
00:58:18,210 --> 00:58:16,570
many years and he has his particular

1151
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:18,220
case that he's talking about right now

1152
00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:22,720
is a crash in New Mexico not Roswell but

1153
00:58:27,710 --> 00:58:24,760
st. Augustine where he has actual

1154
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:27,720
physical evidence that has been

1155
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:30,310
evaluated so hold on we're going to be

1156
00:58:40,500 --> 00:59:05,569
I

1157
00:59:11,429 --> 00:59:08,999
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1191
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1194
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1195
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:27,340
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1196
01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:32,070
your host Renee Barnett and we're

1197
01:01:40,070 --> 01:01:34,619
talking tonight with art Campbell about

1198
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:40,080
UFOs in particular UFOs from the 50s the

1199
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:44,609
60s and forward and especially a case

1200
01:01:52,580 --> 01:01:47,369
that art has put a lot of time in over

1201
01:01:58,340 --> 01:01:52,590
the past several years to of a crash

1202
01:02:00,640 --> 01:01:58,350
site in st. Augustine New Mexico just a

1203
01:02:03,050 --> 01:02:00,650
short distance from the Roswell crash

1204
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:03,060
could have been part of that same

1205
01:02:09,140 --> 01:02:05,400
incident we don't know whether to UFOs

1206
01:02:11,420 --> 01:02:09,150
might have crash together somebody had

1207
01:02:13,580 --> 01:02:11,430
mentioned the idea to me today art when

1208
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:13,590
I was telling him about the show tonight

1209
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:16,890
that they were wondering whether or not

1210
01:02:24,790 --> 01:02:21,680
it could have been one craft that

1211
01:02:28,310 --> 01:02:24,800
exploded in the sky and maybe there was

1212
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:28,320
two or three explosions before it was

1213
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:32,130
finally all all the debris fell to fell

1214
01:02:36,859 --> 01:02:33,480
to the earth do you think that's a

1215
01:02:38,810 --> 01:02:36,869
possibility of researchers thought that

1216
01:02:42,010 --> 01:02:38,820
the plaintiffs on Augustus might have

1217
01:02:44,180 --> 01:02:42,020
been part of the Roswell crash

1218
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:44,190
apparently there were two crafts as the

1219
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:47,130
craft at Roswell was not a disk it was

1220
01:02:51,770 --> 01:02:49,650
something like of like a flat glider I

1221
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:51,780
feel a paper airplane ooh bacon great

1222
01:02:56,570 --> 01:02:54,210
school or something and then aren't with

1223
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:56,580
around distant was probably four or five

1224
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:02,640
tons a as it sat to sat there and and it

1225
01:03:08,990 --> 01:03:06,480
has been it has been explored but

1226
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,000
nothing's ever come of it they did find

1227
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:11,760
some small four pieces of foil over on

1228
01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:14,730
the roseville of debris field that are

1229
01:03:21,500 --> 01:03:18,990
very similar to ours we had about 12

1230
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:21,510
every kinds of foil different

1231
01:03:25,460 --> 01:03:23,310
thicknesses different types as they did

1232
01:03:28,609 --> 01:03:25,470
find a tiny little bit of over of the

1233
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:28,619
Roswell debris fields but apparently for

1234
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:31,050
closure system a fraud all by there

1235
01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:32,310
there's a lot of where the engine is

1236
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,900
reflecting that will try to reflect

1237
01:03:37,989 --> 01:03:35,460
energy and I don't know but what was

1238
01:03:40,389 --> 01:03:37,999
before but

1239
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:40,399
anyhow we found quite a bit other stuff

1240
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:42,079
it's one of the more fascinating things

1241
01:03:46,269 --> 01:03:44,809
those who have the website up there's a

1242
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:46,279
thing in the middle go to too honey

1243
01:03:52,419 --> 01:03:50,209
combs and what if you just let me just

1244
01:03:54,729 --> 01:03:52,429
say this art if you're just tuning in or

1245
01:03:56,139 --> 01:03:54,739
you didn't catch it before the site that

1246
01:03:59,499 --> 01:03:56,149
arts talking about right now that he's

1247
01:04:01,659 --> 01:03:59,509
referring to is UFO crash book calm so

1248
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:01,669
you can go there and see exactly what

1249
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:03,049
he's talking about right now and you can

1250
01:04:07,089 --> 01:04:04,609
also order this book on that site so I'm

1251
01:04:08,469 --> 01:04:07,099
sorry interrupt you go ahead art yeah we

1252
01:04:12,729 --> 01:04:08,479
probably get some people at the car or

1253
01:04:14,379 --> 01:04:12,739
two don't have the computers but they go

1254
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:14,389
home and all I got to remember is UFO

1255
01:04:18,699 --> 01:04:17,119
crash book and and and put it in there

1256
01:04:23,919 --> 01:04:18,709
and as almost up comes up with a

1257
01:04:26,259 --> 01:04:23,929
homepage in any case we found that the

1258
01:04:29,669 --> 01:04:26,269
honeycomb we found in 2012 or the

1259
01:04:33,669 --> 01:04:29,679
blazing sun exhausted was identical to

1260
01:04:36,759 --> 01:04:33,679
Honeycomb found in Japan in 1971 when

1261
01:04:38,979 --> 01:04:36,769
someone saw you'll explode and we show

1262
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:38,989
pictures of it right there on the

1263
01:04:49,419 --> 01:04:43,249
left-hand side of the the home page and

1264
01:04:52,629 --> 01:04:49,429
one of his 71 and wanted 2012 hmm the 71

1265
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:52,639
was an explosion a guy saw it explode

1266
01:04:56,619 --> 01:04:54,079
and he went over the next day and picked

1267
01:04:59,759 --> 01:04:56,629
up some thanks about 20 inches by maybe

1268
01:05:02,439 --> 01:04:59,769
about 15 or 20 inches the other way and

1269
01:05:05,459 --> 01:05:02,449
somebody came and photograph that put it

1270
01:05:10,809 --> 01:05:05,469
in a book and 1980 it's out of print now

1271
01:05:13,329 --> 01:05:10,819
chameleon honey but outcome fine the

1272
01:05:16,209 --> 01:05:13,339
focus was a to Australian Writers Tim

1273
01:05:18,249 --> 01:05:16,219
horizon and petite Minh take-home ibly

1274
01:05:22,269 --> 01:05:18,259
was and you said tonight the name of the

1275
01:05:25,299 --> 01:05:22,279
book alien hunting honey honey comb Oh

1276
01:05:26,739 --> 01:05:25,309
alien honeycomb first I haven't even

1277
01:05:30,279 --> 01:05:26,749
heard of that I'm gonna have to look

1278
01:05:32,489 --> 01:05:30,289
that up but it sounded I felt a print

1279
01:05:37,509 --> 01:05:32,499
out a copy so divided the horse well

1280
01:05:39,789 --> 01:05:37,519
worth it we found something that's four

1281
01:05:41,649 --> 01:05:39,799
years later identical well this was just

1282
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:41,659
one day old cuz they saw you a voice

1283
01:05:47,529 --> 01:05:44,569
vote our was in the elements for 60

1284
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:47,539
years on the ground and maybe stuff that

1285
01:05:51,790 --> 01:05:50,569
rocked it works it works mm-hmm no you

1286
01:05:54,490 --> 01:05:51,800
were you

1287
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:54,500
bound up all these different pieces all

1288
01:05:59,500 --> 01:05:57,440
these different pieces of metal and and

1289
01:06:01,870 --> 01:05:59,510
and other evidence you talked about the

1290
01:06:04,180 --> 01:06:01,880
shoe sole and other things now if you

1291
01:06:08,110 --> 01:06:04,190
were to gather it all up you know like

1292
01:06:10,090 --> 01:06:08,120
could you get it all in one box and I

1293
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:10,100
think one of those mailing boxes that

1294
01:06:18,070 --> 01:06:13,070
the post office has it that you buy

1295
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:18,080
about 14 inches long maybe a foot wide

1296
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:21,710
to issue 6 we can fill it up easily and

1297
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:24,890
so there's a number of pieces of things

1298
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:27,440
and I know one of the my chat roomies

1299
01:06:33,550 --> 01:06:30,530
here Neutron was asking you know had any

1300
01:06:36,010 --> 01:06:33,560
of your evidence ever disappeared you

1301
01:06:38,110 --> 01:06:36,020
know did somebody ever try to take any

1302
01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:38,120
of it or did you have anything

1303
01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:40,760
mysterious happening to it we were

1304
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:42,740
trying to your investigation actually

1305
01:06:46,810 --> 01:06:44,510
we've had a few conferences and I have

1306
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:46,820
that artifact there is it a plastic box

1307
01:06:51,580 --> 01:06:49,370
and I've done everything to chain it

1308
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:51,590
down and I let people look at it as they

1309
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,060
just don't let it get out with a gradual

1310
01:06:58,750 --> 01:06:55,760
drop it and we've never had any problems

1311
01:07:00,690 --> 01:06:58,760
at all I do have one guys who found a

1312
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:00,700
lot of stuff who gives away pieces

1313
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:03,680
Tuukka people uh it's kind of make

1314
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:07,910
friends so he has some of these big

1315
01:07:13,180 --> 01:07:09,770
pieces as you see where they would cut

1316
01:07:15,130 --> 01:07:13,190
into but there's a people in the

1317
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:15,140
laboratories to say well we could look

1318
01:07:20,110 --> 01:07:17,090
us up for you so we're so some of our

1319
01:07:22,750 --> 01:07:20,120
stuff goes out that way but we still

1320
01:07:23,980 --> 01:07:22,760
have rolled on e % left and I have

1321
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:23,990
almost ninety nine percent of everything

1322
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:27,710
I found out there so I'd saved it always

1323
01:07:36,190 --> 01:07:33,200
yours in that honeycomb what what is

1324
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:36,200
that I mean what is the composition of

1325
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:43,450
that well it's a most aluminum and has a

1326
01:07:54,190 --> 01:07:50,210
some calcium in it the one of the

1327
01:07:58,600 --> 01:07:54,200
helmets and there was a big bang at ease

1328
01:08:02,260 --> 01:07:58,610
and we found some moss growing on it and

1329
01:08:06,780 --> 01:08:02,270
a godless told us that they'd have to

1330
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:12,190
24 months culture to the startup and we

1331
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:13,970
went to check-in assertively and calcium

1332
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:18,890
manganese this is awesome Papa but it is

1333
01:08:23,620 --> 01:08:20,830
brown that means without a so tight and

1334
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:23,630
where it was laying on the ground in the

1335
01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:28,310
sunlight of the cost is green no you

1336
01:08:32,890 --> 01:08:30,199
know we thought a lot of it do a lot of

1337
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:32,900
research about the geology and Royals

1338
01:08:40,269 --> 01:08:37,730
and just no end think you have to find

1339
01:08:43,090 --> 01:08:40,279
out together to make a pronouncement but

1340
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:43,100
those two honeycombs of 40 years apart

1341
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:46,250
but look pretty similar yeah a pretty

1342
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:50,839
good of a pretty good judge of what we

1343
01:08:59,550 --> 01:08:54,650
have that is really wild very

1344
01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:59,560
interesting move now is solo category

1345
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:02,480
but what does them going through showing

1346
01:09:09,309 --> 01:09:06,319
various saying it says now we had at one

1347
01:09:12,340 --> 01:09:09,319
time 15 people were working with three

1348
01:09:15,099 --> 01:09:12,350
metal detectors and midnight 26 people

1349
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:15,109
involved with this project since about

1350
01:09:19,419 --> 01:09:18,049
two thousand five the reason we had a

1351
01:09:21,970 --> 01:09:19,429
crew of Navajos out there just really

1352
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:21,980
worked hard to really work well and they

1353
01:09:28,269 --> 01:09:25,279
done did sunlight 28 test bitching about

1354
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:28,279
three days and there is transmitted via

1355
01:09:33,329 --> 01:09:31,130
about the four feet wide Murphy long

1356
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:33,339
four feet square at about 20 inches deep

1357
01:09:38,349 --> 01:09:36,799
anything below 20 inches was rocks so we

1358
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:38,359
didn't find it we didn't want to go down

1359
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:41,330
that low but we were skimming the

1360
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:45,770
surface prepare Lee Wow now you're

1361
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:52,130
saying on your website is that the most

1362
01:10:01,150 --> 01:09:56,050
important material was the i-beam and

1363
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:01,160
I'm back up look at that that's not that

1364
01:10:08,860 --> 01:10:05,570
that site www UFO Kreisberg calm that's

1365
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:08,870
right on in the chapter sexy crowded now

1366
01:10:16,959 --> 01:10:13,310
2012 and it was found in rocks alleged

1367
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:16,969
socks and we have a whole chapter on a

1368
01:10:25,670 --> 01:10:18,310
chapter 2 half

1369
01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:29,670
metallurgy in it that we don't have hat

1370
01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:33,430
we don't have all this is our quiet I

1371
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:36,670
fluidly don't know well amenities to

1372
01:10:41,670 --> 01:10:39,970
notice agent and a lot of silicone

1373
01:10:45,210 --> 01:10:41,680
mostly aluminum but they all would

1374
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:45,220
always entities in it and this one had

1375
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:47,590
us a crude holes drilled in it you can

1376
01:10:52,410 --> 01:10:50,800
see them on the third there yeah and we

1377
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:52,420
think that they don't we don't think

1378
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:54,370
that but the UFO is bolted together with

1379
01:11:00,120 --> 01:10:56,530
groups with holes we think that was a

1380
01:11:02,370 --> 01:11:00,130
repair they put that the i-beam probably

1381
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:02,380
went behind the plate and it's and all

1382
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:04,450
of those are that was honeycomb another

1383
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:06,730
place so we think there was a bold

1384
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:09,520
scientist type structure like cereal

1385
01:11:16,340 --> 01:11:13,030
bowl of I beams hey we had what we call

1386
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:16,350
a light metal on on the inside of the IB

1387
01:11:21,930 --> 01:11:20,290
then we had to honeycomb and then we had

1388
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:21,940
the heavy barrel on the inside of any

1389
01:11:30,570 --> 01:11:26,010
felt so it sort of made a sandwich hmm

1390
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:30,580
yes sir is there some kind of engraving

1391
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:32,350
on the side of that I beam I'm looking

1392
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:34,650
at it and it looks like there's a a

1393
01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:37,170
triangle with a circle in the middle

1394
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:46,270
yeah that's chapter oh no the just very

1395
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:52,690
circusy pull it off but there was yeah

1396
01:11:57,870 --> 01:11:55,690
it's the end of chapter 6 and your

1397
01:11:59,370 --> 01:11:57,880
listeners could could click on this red

1398
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,380
number six down there were the chapter

1399
01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:01,360
to listen and see a picture the IV

1400
01:12:05,730 --> 01:12:03,790
another piece of honeycomb was metal

1401
01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:05,740
stuck to it we found it there or the

1402
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:09,430
right end a triangle it was two inches

1403
01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:14,890
high and a little bit more like an inch

1404
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,420
and a half at the bottom so it was

1405
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:21,520
isosceles triangle it was neither

1406
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:24,090
lateral and in the middle of the circle

1407
01:12:29,610 --> 01:12:27,850
and we thought well what they tried to

1408
01:12:30,939 --> 01:12:29,620
tell us well I don't think anybody the

1409
01:12:33,009 --> 01:12:30,949
right why we say that

1410
01:12:36,189 --> 01:12:33,019
an advanced civilization the use of

1411
01:12:38,549 --> 01:12:36,199
hieroglyphics you know how were they how

1412
01:12:42,189 --> 01:12:38,559
were they do math of hieroglyphics so

1413
01:12:44,469 --> 01:12:42,199
well I assumed it was a makers mark and

1414
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:44,479
it looked like it had been used before

1415
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:51,170
and the holes are very crude and I one

1416
01:12:57,729 --> 01:12:55,130
guy tried to come in here from the

1417
01:13:00,669 --> 01:12:57,739
Eastern MUFON group mutual UFO network

1418
01:13:03,609 --> 01:13:00,679
and try to convince her why this was an

1419
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:03,619
airplane part the plane crash in 1944

1420
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:06,800
and this was three miles away from that

1421
01:13:10,509 --> 01:13:09,530
which is about do about that crash but

1422
01:13:12,459 --> 01:13:10,519
we don't have anything with this

1423
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:12,469
excitement gravy go on it oh I think it

1424
01:13:17,469 --> 01:13:15,530
was a makers mark and then we did we did

1425
01:13:20,649 --> 01:13:17,479
this the dumb thing turned out to be

1426
01:13:25,299 --> 01:13:20,659
quite quite unfortunate we rub some

1427
01:13:26,859 --> 01:13:25,309
butter on it and then put some graphite

1428
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:26,869
or in the black draught I can use it to

1429
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:30,260
walk to the car the black powder right

1430
01:13:36,009 --> 01:13:33,670
and we saw additional circles behind

1431
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:36,019
Marshall circles coming in behind the

1432
01:13:45,790 --> 01:13:39,530
triangle hmm and in the book we show how

1433
01:13:49,029 --> 01:13:45,800
it looked and so apparently we are

1434
01:13:51,459 --> 01:13:49,039
looking here at an eclipse because

1435
01:13:54,699 --> 01:13:51,469
there's no partial circles of the same

1436
01:13:56,799 --> 01:13:54,709
triangle 50 them overlapping each other

1437
01:13:58,899 --> 01:13:56,809
there was the full circle only full

1438
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,909
circles in the middle so it's kind of

1439
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:00,320
look like the eclipses having it from

1440
01:14:05,979 --> 01:14:04,010
behind and we only see partial circles

1441
01:14:10,629 --> 01:14:05,989
but they were real they were really

1442
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:10,639
there and so surprised sassy what what

1443
01:14:17,020 --> 01:14:14,110
did you do to do this as well I think

1444
01:14:19,029 --> 01:14:17,030
positive the aliens at least some of

1445
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:19,039
them may have great reverence for

1446
01:14:27,069 --> 01:14:24,110
celestial events well who does so you

1447
01:14:30,339 --> 01:14:27,079
know I llegan all atwitter ugly another

1448
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:30,349
Eclipse endorsing like that so I think

1449
01:14:33,549 --> 01:14:32,329
all of us have it remembers for those

1450
01:14:36,129 --> 01:14:33,559
those those those kind of things

1451
01:14:39,339 --> 01:14:36,139
regardless of what we believe we know

1452
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:39,349
that here is as if they have not got

1453
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:41,209
there is it is unimportant in fact it

1454
01:14:45,820 --> 01:14:44,210
was happening so

1455
01:14:48,510 --> 01:14:45,830
that's all we could guess and then we

1456
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:48,520
found that the UFO landed in Britain

1457
01:14:57,900 --> 01:14:54,800
called the Rendlesham forest and the

1458
01:15:03,280 --> 01:14:57,910
eighth was crafting down with a triangle

1459
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:03,290
on it and it had a circle on two circles

1460
01:15:08,170 --> 01:15:06,170
what on a big circle world was bought

1461
01:15:10,990 --> 01:15:08,180
with it would assume that that was it

1462
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:11,000
looked to us like a simple symbol of a

1463
01:15:17,290 --> 01:15:14,330
planet moving around his son hmm that

1464
01:15:21,550 --> 01:15:17,300
was on a craft that came down at the

1465
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:21,560
1980 thinkin that a joint air bases in

1466
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:24,170
the Rendlesham forest went water ee was

1467
01:15:28,860 --> 01:15:26,210
with a was yeah Bentwaters yeah we had

1468
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:28,870
fairly recently we had John Burroughs

1469
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:31,280
who was present at the Bentwaters

1470
01:15:41,050 --> 01:15:35,570
incident on and that was quite an

1471
01:15:43,150 --> 01:15:41,060
amazing Glen amazing yeah did you do any

1472
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:43,160
looking into that I mean I know you've

1473
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:45,530
spent so much time on on this particular

1474
01:15:52,990 --> 01:15:48,590
case but before I think you got started

1475
01:15:58,090 --> 01:15:53,000
on this case when in 1990 i started at

1476
01:16:03,520 --> 01:15:58,100
the site of 90 94 94 and i was there by

1477
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:03,530
myself till 2004 yep here's i work no

1478
01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:06,290
but every of the year i got there had

1479
01:16:11,620 --> 01:16:08,750
worked and i found quite a bit of stuff

1480
01:16:13,709 --> 01:16:11,630
including the artifact the oil and other

1481
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,719
things but we didn't find the big stuff

1482
01:16:18,610 --> 01:16:15,920
until we got up on the hill where the

1483
01:16:20,290 --> 01:16:18,620
craft has skipped out and it apparently

1484
01:16:22,810 --> 01:16:20,300
was skipped it drove some material at

1485
01:16:25,140 --> 01:16:22,820
the ground and apparently the cleanup

1486
01:16:30,820 --> 01:16:25,150
crew was you i was using my old actors

1487
01:16:34,150 --> 01:16:30,830
so they just covered it over and this I

1488
01:16:35,890 --> 01:16:34,160
beam was laying into rocks like it just

1489
01:16:38,140 --> 01:16:35,900
falling out of the sky and it's wedges

1490
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:38,150
that with a couple of rocks it's 13

1491
01:16:45,670 --> 01:16:41,410
inches long by the way ways to 13 pounds

1492
01:16:48,820 --> 01:16:45,680
13 a quarter it's the flanges are two

1493
01:16:50,620 --> 01:16:48,830
inches wide on both sides and the post

1494
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:50,630
in the middle is about one and a half

1495
01:16:57,940 --> 01:16:55,489
inches and we have a chip being like

1496
01:17:02,200 --> 01:16:57,950
this but they're made to the to disagree

1497
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:02,210
horizontal stress not work the standard

1498
01:17:08,010 --> 01:17:04,850
i beam we find imputed skyscrapers it's

1499
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:08,020
more sure on the flanges and this one

1500
01:17:13,150 --> 01:17:11,090
this one was made to distribute

1501
01:17:19,090 --> 01:17:13,160
horizontal roads which would be perfect

1502
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:19,100
for UFO now who's um who owns the land

1503
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:22,730
that your crash site is on well the land

1504
01:17:29,230 --> 01:17:25,040
out there in planes is so it's a

1505
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:29,240
complicated deal you lease land from the

1506
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:31,550
state the government or individuals who

1507
01:17:37,690 --> 01:17:34,850
are living our state and so everybody's

1508
01:17:40,300 --> 01:17:37,700
land looks like a patchwork quilt if you

1509
01:17:43,330 --> 01:17:40,310
look at map of it right I have a piece

1510
01:17:46,030 --> 01:17:43,340
of leo I've land this least for so much

1511
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,040
a year you may even if they have a piece

1512
01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:48,320
of private land adjoining one corner of

1513
01:17:55,900 --> 01:17:51,340
it you may have a piece of state land

1514
01:18:00,150 --> 01:17:55,910
there so the private parties US

1515
01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:00,160
government and state all own parcels so

1516
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:03,710
the federal government the federal

1517
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:06,050
government via the bureau of land

1518
01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:09,290
management BLM yes they would be the

1519
01:18:15,190 --> 01:18:12,040
ones who would be leasing the land right

1520
01:18:17,140 --> 01:18:15,200
boy they seem to Liesl you know the BLM

1521
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:17,150
seems to be involved in a lot of sites

1522
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:21,520
that are related to UFOs don't they well

1523
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:25,250
they have a lot of light maybe that's it

1524
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:28,490
expand on it but they certainly would be

1525
01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:30,410
a chance of fighting ufos at the right

1526
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:33,980
kind of land that's for sure but then

1527
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:35,450
they have it that interfere at all with

1528
01:18:42,190 --> 01:18:40,130
anything so we pretty well they're both

1529
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:42,200
concerned about the ranchers the cattle

1530
01:18:46,780 --> 01:18:45,410
and and the ranchers tickets are the

1531
01:18:48,220 --> 01:18:46,790
interesting thing i can see some people

1532
01:18:52,750 --> 01:18:48,230
come on their land pick me the older

1533
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:52,760
ones don't get comfy very often but they

1534
01:19:02,520 --> 01:18:57,110
still get the gates locked right right

1535
01:19:05,650 --> 01:19:02,530
right well now what are your plans for

1536
01:19:08,020 --> 01:19:05,660
your your case have you pretty much

1537
01:19:09,610 --> 01:19:08,030
researched it now as much as you're

1538
01:19:11,620 --> 01:19:09,620
going to I know you've released a book

1539
01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:11,630
on it which you can get

1540
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,110
only sit on that for a while of an a no

1541
01:19:19,629 --> 01:19:17,600
least a book on it and you can get it

1542
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:19,639
through the website there's a over the

1543
01:19:28,209 --> 01:19:23,690
book and we get some very nice comments

1544
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,219
from readers so as we're selling it

1545
01:19:33,459 --> 01:19:31,040
through creative space amazon and it

1546
01:19:35,950 --> 01:19:33,469
runs right through to how to how to

1547
01:19:38,290 --> 01:19:35,960
order although the website if i recall

1548
01:19:41,410 --> 01:19:38,300
the price have been knocked down about

1549
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:41,420
twenty to sixty five more a hundred

1550
01:19:45,310 --> 01:19:43,250
fifty facebook with dotty photographs is

1551
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:45,320
for a good deal and it's not a little

1552
01:19:51,390 --> 01:19:48,110
book it's a its owners like eight and a

1553
01:19:56,919 --> 01:19:51,400
half by eleven page so it's it's not a

1554
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,929
tiny minority thanks good wait 60 wait

1555
01:20:02,919 --> 01:19:58,880
15 ounces so i thought i have to wear a

1556
01:20:04,930 --> 01:20:02,929
veil it i had to pay for extra 10 ounces

1557
01:20:09,820 --> 01:20:04,940
yeah i see you've got lots of

1558
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:09,830
compliments from some pretty pretty high

1559
01:20:15,550 --> 01:20:12,530
people talking about how well researched

1560
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:15,560
it is and you know how well the evidence

1561
01:20:20,169 --> 01:20:18,050
is presented 10 years are all together

1562
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:20,179
and it was took me about five years just

1563
01:20:23,649 --> 01:20:22,370
a planet and the problem was we started

1564
01:20:26,890 --> 01:20:23,659
fighting stuff well I thought it was

1565
01:20:29,919 --> 01:20:26,900
done and so that kinda messed up my

1566
01:20:32,530 --> 01:20:29,929
index so I got to go back at this work

1567
01:20:36,399 --> 01:20:32,540
two more work on editing and the indexes

1568
01:20:39,550 --> 01:20:36,409
avoided but we will go good night he

1569
01:20:41,919 --> 01:20:39,560
said where we want it yeah yeah yeah

1570
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:41,929
Timothy good who everybody knows he's a

1571
01:20:48,370 --> 01:20:46,000
noted author from the UK and a

1572
01:20:52,419 --> 01:20:48,380
researcher and he says it's see it's

1573
01:20:56,260 --> 01:20:52,429
superbly researched you know and Donald

1574
01:21:00,430 --> 01:20:56,270
Kehoe and he talks about you and your

1575
01:21:03,399 --> 01:21:00,440
your good work and and so does nuclear

1576
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:03,409
physicist Stanton Friedman so it's a

1577
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:07,040
great thing to have to own it's a nice

1578
01:21:13,740 --> 01:21:11,120
big book so not teeny tiny writing and

1579
01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:13,750
lots of good illustrations pictures

1580
01:21:24,010 --> 01:21:17,510
statistics I mean this is the real deal

1581
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:24,020
that's UFO crash book.com now have you

1582
01:21:27,580 --> 01:21:25,369
got any plans in

1583
01:21:30,609 --> 01:21:27,590
future to make any presentations on this

1584
01:21:32,979 --> 01:21:30,619
or going like cocoa for presentations i

1585
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:32,989
live at this Pacific Northwest pretty

1586
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:35,449
Isolators I don't get around quite as

1587
01:21:40,659 --> 01:21:38,209
much of the eastern ufologist do right

1588
01:21:42,909 --> 01:21:40,669
but I'll be glad to go anywhere at any

1589
01:21:45,129 --> 01:21:42,919
time so I said in your ticket oh yeah

1590
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:45,139
maybe one of these conferences coming up

1591
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:46,610
because I think this would be a great

1592
01:21:53,529 --> 01:21:50,239
presentation and it's certainly a few

1593
01:21:55,449 --> 01:21:53,539
conferences but apparently I've been to

1594
01:22:00,489 --> 01:21:55,459
first generation and now to avoid us

1595
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:00,499
into a conspiracy then you know it was

1596
01:22:08,529 --> 01:22:05,030
UFO sighting in on JFK and it really

1597
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:08,539
gets a ridiculous well I tell you you

1598
01:22:13,839 --> 01:22:11,360
know it's like I wouldn't think that it

1599
01:22:17,799 --> 01:22:13,849
would ever hurt to get you know the

1600
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:17,809
background on this thing you know we

1601
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:20,449
should be taking advantage you know in a

1602
01:22:25,839 --> 01:22:23,090
good way of people like you who have

1603
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:25,849
been there throughout the history of the

1604
01:22:30,489 --> 01:22:28,729
study of UFOs I mean my goodness you

1605
01:22:32,799 --> 01:22:30,499
know I had a million questions for you

1606
01:22:35,109 --> 01:22:32,809
regarding eisenhower you know the

1607
01:22:36,489 --> 01:22:35,119
Roswell crash this crash other things

1608
01:22:38,799 --> 01:22:36,499
that you heard about you know with

1609
01:22:40,899 --> 01:22:38,809
that's why I was asking you about things

1610
01:22:42,699 --> 01:22:40,909
like Betty and Barney Hill like at the

1611
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:42,709
time you know what were people saying

1612
01:22:50,589 --> 01:22:47,570
about it I am I know I I had a chance to

1613
01:22:52,419 --> 01:22:50,599
talk to Betty hill on several occasions

1614
01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:52,429
we got to kind of be France a little bit

1615
01:22:59,770 --> 01:22:56,030
and I'm so glad of course Barney had

1616
01:23:03,520 --> 01:22:59,780
been long gone by then he died fairly

1617
01:23:07,509 --> 01:23:03,530
early on but she struck me as being a

1618
01:23:10,569 --> 01:23:07,519
very down-to-earth lady and she was she

1619
01:23:12,219 --> 01:23:10,579
appears to be and did you remember who

1620
01:23:16,810 --> 01:23:12,229
played the part of Barney and they had a

1621
01:23:21,759 --> 01:23:16,820
movie yes James Earl Jones don't know k

1622
01:23:23,859 --> 01:23:21,769
Jojo yeah absolutely yep yep that now

1623
01:23:27,129 --> 01:23:23,869
they called the book was called

1624
01:23:29,469 --> 01:23:27,139
interrupted journey but the but the

1625
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:29,479
movie was called something else I don't

1626
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:32,090
remember where it was there is something

1627
01:23:38,859 --> 01:23:37,010
that happened before I asked for I left

1628
01:23:42,129 --> 01:23:38,869
you UFO they got back

1629
01:23:44,139 --> 01:23:42,139
it eventually the eyes got bigger and it

1630
01:23:46,929 --> 01:23:44,149
seems like the first time we have a

1631
01:23:50,679 --> 01:23:46,939
description of the large eyes is at the

1632
01:23:55,169 --> 01:23:50,689
Betty Lauryn Hill case s 1965 or so hmm

1633
01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:55,179
well that they were very small eyes and

1634
01:24:02,109 --> 01:23:58,610
so I suppose a large hide faith may be

1635
01:24:05,169 --> 01:24:02,119
close I don't know what if my logic or

1636
01:24:08,949 --> 01:24:05,179
not but I was wondering if they might be

1637
01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:08,959
robots or something but because people

1638
01:24:15,969 --> 01:24:10,729
talk about in moving in a sort of

1639
01:24:17,979 --> 01:24:15,979
robotic way but the other idea is ok we

1640
01:24:19,869 --> 01:24:17,989
have a lot of people who are willing to

1641
01:24:21,939 --> 01:24:19,879
accept the idea that there are things

1642
01:24:24,669 --> 01:24:21,949
you know flying around out there and

1643
01:24:27,839 --> 01:24:24,679
that they seem to be intelligently

1644
01:24:31,449 --> 01:24:27,849
controlled well that means that somebody

1645
01:24:35,020 --> 01:24:31,459
intelligent is controlling them and so

1646
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:35,030
if we accept that accept the idea that

1647
01:24:41,259 --> 01:24:37,760
there are beings from other places

1648
01:24:43,239 --> 01:24:41,269
coming here then maybe some of them do

1649
01:24:46,060 --> 01:24:43,249
look different than others maybe they're

1650
01:24:48,129 --> 01:24:46,070
some you know that are have smaller eyes

1651
01:24:49,959 --> 01:24:48,139
maybe say you know some have bigger eyes

1652
01:24:54,009 --> 01:24:49,969
you hear people talking about the

1653
01:24:55,689 --> 01:24:54,019
different races and I mean of course of

1654
01:24:59,709 --> 01:24:55,699
our death of the soil conservation

1655
01:25:02,350 --> 01:24:59,719
engineer to discover the site describes

1656
01:25:06,699 --> 01:25:02,360
it was affirmative but I wonderfox

1657
01:25:09,879 --> 01:25:06,709
related to him I don't know he came from

1658
01:25:13,029 --> 01:25:09,889
the leave Oklahoma Texas of lies

1659
01:25:18,100 --> 01:25:13,039
somewhere in that area of Oklahoma and

1660
01:25:21,429 --> 01:25:18,110
uh oh I came from a very small town in

1661
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,439
southeastern Oklahoma cult Stigler and I

1662
01:25:28,060 --> 01:25:23,840
live it's down by the Okla I'm in by the

1663
01:25:30,639 --> 01:25:28,070
Arkansas State Line in the Choctaw

1664
01:25:33,069 --> 01:25:30,649
Nation even come folk almost for sure we

1665
01:25:36,580 --> 01:25:33,079
have auto realities of around Tulsa well

1666
01:25:38,649 --> 01:25:36,590
I lived in tulsa for Pearson reasoning

1667
01:25:41,009 --> 01:25:38,659
to be addressed I came to get asked if

1668
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:41,019
I've ever been hassled by anybody and I

1669
01:25:47,109 --> 01:25:44,570
went to my lawyer and I said what

1670
01:25:49,449 --> 01:25:47,119
happens if i hit and she said well you

1671
01:25:51,369 --> 01:25:49,459
don't have to let them in on asking our

1672
01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:51,379
answer any questions you just hand them

1673
01:25:54,820 --> 01:25:51,710
their

1674
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:54,830
once it's my business card she had if

1675
01:25:59,020 --> 01:25:57,050
you had a questionnaire somebody's a lot

1676
01:26:00,900 --> 01:25:59,030
of questions for you this card then they

1677
01:26:03,729 --> 01:26:00,910
can't talk to you about me being present

1678
01:26:05,020 --> 01:26:03,739
another great deal hey you know so I put

1679
01:26:08,650 --> 01:26:05,030
the card by my front door of the

1680
01:26:10,570 --> 01:26:08,660
thumbtacks an hour our computer of face

1681
01:26:12,820 --> 01:26:10,580
to the sidewalk the day I saw two guys

1682
01:26:14,350 --> 01:26:12,830
in black guy without oh my god if it

1683
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,360
black van parked out there in front a

1684
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:17,120
big black briefcase and I thought well I

1685
01:26:21,250 --> 01:26:19,850
better get that card if we need it and I

1686
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:21,260
was reaching for it as I opened the door

1687
01:26:28,450 --> 01:26:23,570
and I was never so relieved in my wife

1688
01:26:31,180 --> 01:26:28,460
to find two more missionaries and makes

1689
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:31,190
you food I don't know what are you

1690
01:26:34,690 --> 01:26:33,110
drinking but come on in our poor it and

1691
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:34,700
so they both have a glass of lemonade

1692
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:38,210
with the summertime so that's what I

1693
01:26:43,330 --> 01:26:40,730
came to that's the man in black well

1694
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,340
that's good you know I am you know you

1695
01:26:49,300 --> 01:26:45,440
always hear about people being harassed

1696
01:26:52,930 --> 01:26:49,310
and you know their offices broken into

1697
01:26:56,050 --> 01:26:52,940
and all that now I'm never really within

1698
01:26:58,540 --> 01:26:56,060
the UFO genre had anything like that

1699
01:27:01,420 --> 01:26:58,550
occur then you know I spent a number of

1700
01:27:03,610 --> 01:27:01,430
years at UFO magazine and it was kind of

1701
01:27:06,010 --> 01:27:03,620
a clearinghouse for a lot of the

1702
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:06,020
information that was coming in about

1703
01:27:14,020 --> 01:27:11,840
proposed and burnshaw future theater of

1704
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:14,030
Ottawa two weeks ago yeah absolutely

1705
01:27:21,850 --> 01:27:17,450
yeah i was there i was there pre bill

1706
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:21,860
burns i was there from the early 90's to

1707
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:24,890
the mid 90s and then bill and nancy came

1708
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:27,290
not too long after that in fact i was

1709
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:30,320
there at a couple of dinner meetings

1710
01:27:36,580 --> 01:27:32,719
with them as they were sort of passing

1711
01:27:38,620 --> 01:27:36,590
along into the running of the magazine

1712
01:27:41,890 --> 01:27:38,630
but that's when I left to go do

1713
01:27:44,380 --> 01:27:41,900
television but yeah there was a lot of

1714
01:27:46,630 --> 01:27:44,390
stuff going through our offices reports

1715
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:46,640
you know witnesses calling different

1716
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:49,130
things like that and we never had any

1717
01:27:56,050 --> 01:27:53,210
harassment that we could ever tell I

1718
01:28:00,010 --> 01:27:56,060
mean we did unfortunately from some of

1719
01:28:01,900 --> 01:28:00,020
the UFO people some of the ufologists

1720
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:01,910
who was there was a lot of infighting

1721
01:28:08,140 --> 01:28:05,570
going on people

1722
01:28:09,550 --> 01:28:08,150
yeah I think that does in every what are

1723
01:28:10,899 --> 01:28:09,560
you going to do what sort of those

1724
01:28:13,390 --> 01:28:10,909
article comes out devote your whole

1725
01:28:15,490 --> 01:28:13,400
project I said we can't do it but she

1726
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:15,500
goes to japan and talk to the guys and

1727
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:19,760
found that the honeycomb over there my

1728
01:28:24,609 --> 01:28:22,400
mind of my job is what I've always jobs

1729
01:28:27,729 --> 01:28:24,619
i want to write something though that is

1730
01:28:30,459 --> 01:28:27,739
this coherent detailed and i want people

1731
01:28:37,569 --> 01:28:30,469
make up their own minds and that's all

1732
01:28:39,250 --> 01:28:37,579
it offer can do yeah absolutely now we

1733
01:28:40,870 --> 01:28:39,260
want to tell before we go and oh my

1734
01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:40,880
goodness we're just down to about a

1735
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:44,329
minute I can't believe it we want to one

1736
01:28:49,419 --> 01:28:46,489
more time remind people that there is a

1737
01:28:53,319 --> 01:28:49,429
book that contains all the information

1738
01:28:57,149 --> 01:28:53,329
on the UFO crash at st. Augustine st.

1739
01:29:01,919 --> 01:28:57,159
Augustine New Mexico by art Campbell and

1740
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:01,929
you can find that at UFO crash book.com

1741
01:29:17,169 --> 01:29:15,399
yeah I believe that I believe that I you

1742
01:29:18,459 --> 01:29:17,179
know I just received my coffee so I had

1743
01:29:20,260 --> 01:29:18,469
a chance to read the whole thing but

1744
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:20,270
looking through it it's very

1745
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:23,090
comprehensive and it's very interesting

1746
01:29:28,990 --> 01:29:25,489
and that shoe is just amazing that shoot

1747
01:29:31,089 --> 01:29:29,000
soul that you found that is crazy yeah

1748
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:31,099
things I got a 25-15 laying there by it

1749
01:29:38,370 --> 01:29:34,400
and that's getting idea of the size it

1750
01:29:46,770 --> 01:29:44,220
and yeah I won't go without you here for

1751
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:46,780
about a big enough and he probably just

1752
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:49,170
thought it wasn't associated with the

1753
01:29:53,820 --> 01:29:51,730
there's other conservation something

1754
01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:53,830
there and this whole royal busy almost

1755
01:29:58,800 --> 01:29:56,110
dr. trashes and there's the royal is